Monday, May 10, 2010

Time to attain rationality

I had earlier posted about a trade that was carried out in Britannia industries where the company issued bonus debuntures and the markets mispriced the stock post the record date giving reasonable returns in the time frame that the trade was carried out. The link to the post is enclosed below.
I had a round of email exchanges with a friend whose bone of contention or query was
How do u that the market will misprice when u initiate the trade? Is it just experience or a element of probability or pure luck?.
I am attaching the email response that I had sent him …

The starting point in a trade like this is to ensure
1) The market risk is very low which is to time the trade very close to the actual event date or the record date.
2) More importantly - valuation comfort. If everything else goes wrong are u still comfortable holding the stock from a valuation standpoint.

Without valuation comfort the trade is a strict No go.
Lets look at the markets are irrational part. True markets do turn irrational at times but i want to inverse that statement. Markets are not rational all the times which is not saying that they are irrational but they take time to reach a level of rationality. I dont know whether I am able to spell out the subtle difference by inversing that statement. The time that market takes to attain that rationality is the time window that a arbitrageur gets for the trade.
So it comes both from experience/ insight and probability. The market has diff kinds of participants day traders, arbitrageurs, tech analysts, long term investors who look individually look at diff information points so at a given point a participant would not have not digested all the news points. For ex If i am buying a stock from a long term objective i might not have look at the technicals ( i anyway dont believe in technicals) and vice versa. So not all participants would have digested a particular corporate action. If it is a bonus or a dividend then most participants would digest it but other corporate actions which have a element of complexity dont get digested as fast.
This is more true in the midcap/ small cap segment which is under researched and uder tracked. If HLL had done a similar exercise i would doubt the arbitrage window would have existed.
 It isnt risk free by any stretch of imagination. Its just about how much risk can u eliminate and dont get into a situation of picking pennies in front of a roadroller.
Trust that could add some value.


PS: Remembered a interesting exchange from Alice in Wonderland
Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.
Alice: And how do you know that you're mad?
The Cat: To begin with, a dog's not mad. You grant that?
Alice: I suppose so,
The Cat: Well, then, you see, a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased. Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad.


Vinay said...

Plz tell me something abt goodyear delisting offer. What would be the right price to exit goodyear. I am really love this blog..


Ninad Kunder said...

Hi Vinay

Thanks for dropping in.

On goodyear, though I hold a historical position, the current run up has taken the stock beyond the fair value range.

I am just waiting and watching as to where the market is looking at anchoring it.



Sunny Talreja said...

Please tell me something about Aban Offshore. It has had a great fall. Has the stock bottomed yet? I want to enetr into long position, should I wait or just buy now?

Ninad Kunder said...

Hi Sunny

I havent analysed the company in detail so cant comment too much. However I m personally not comfortable with the leverage on the balance shee.



Vic said...

Hello Ninad,

I haven't received any update from you regarding Gwalior Chemicals.

Would it be sometimes soon? :-)



Ninad Kunder said...

Hi Vic

I was waiitng for the annual results. I m beginning to get very disappointed with this story in terms of what the management is doing.